DID YOU WATCH

Did you watch the Torture hearings replay? I made an audio podcast of it. It's a whole day's worth of listening. 52Mb. 8hrs. LINK.

Beavers held no animosity but for a few she called out an individual who sold her out. Haynes was sneaky as shit.

I'm screaming that something smells fishy. Beavers seemed to back Haynes and he used only her opinion to justify the legality of torture after a briefing with Addington and Gonzo at Gitmo!!!!!

CLEARLY!

Somebody needs to make a movie out of this shit.   Because there were many players in these events.

That was too much for Mr. Rodriguez. He stood up in the room, according to one participant in the meeting, and shouted in coarse language that the analysis chief should “wake up and smell the coffee,” because undercover officers were at the “pointy end of the spear.”

The clandestine branch, Mr. Rodriguez was making it clear, would do what it wanted.

What is Torture: This entry is in four parts. The first part addresses the question what is torture?; the second part, what is wrong with torture?; the third part, is torture ever morally justifiable?; and the last part, should torture ever be legalised or otherwise institutionalised?[1] - Stanford

Here Stanford concludes regarding The Moral Justification for Legalised and Institutionalised Torture: So torture warrants are highly undesirable, indeed a threat to liberal democratic institutions. Moreover, torture warrants are unnecessary. As has been argued above, there may well be one-off emergencies in which the use of torture is morally justifiable. In those cases, the relevant public officials must bite the bullet and do what is morally required, e.g. torture the terrorist to save thousands of innocent people. In such an emergency, the military or police officers involved will need to break the law on this one occasion. But in itself this is a small price to pay; and a price the police, the military and the politicians have shown themselves only too willing to pay in situations that are far from emergencies.

Stanford holds that by breaking the law and if found a trial's ensues, clemency may be in order. THEY NEVER ADVOCATE MAKING IT LEGAL. Advanced Immunity is illegal!

Inside a 9/11 Mastermind’s Interrogation By SCOTT SHANE

What did torture buy us?

Asked, for example, how he would smuggle explosives into the United States, Mr. Mohammed told C.I.A officers that he might send a shipping container from Japan loaded with personal computers, half of them packed with bomb materials, according to a foreign official briefed on the episode.

Yet we did nothing to improve the inspection of cargo containers. Instead GWB wanted to leave it to Dubai.

After the attacks, officials recognized that tracking drug lords was not so different from searching for terrorist masterminds, and Mr. Martinez was among a half dozen or so narcotics analysts moved to the Counterterrorist Center to become “targeting officers” in the hunt for Al Qaeda.

Which explains why the War on Terror is as successful as the War on Drugs.

The entire 5 linked page article talks to the benefit of relationship building during interrogations while not making any claims about the harm of the torture tactics on the American values.

Senseless.